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viking272 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:17 am I ran the French manual through Google Translate and it spat out an English version. (they can handle PDF/DOCX formats)

Clearly it will need proof reading plus re-arranging some literal translations etc but it may be a good place to start?

I emailed you this version too for comments.
Waow, I received what you've done.
I'm impressed, the translation is pretty good (as fas as I can judge with my english!).

So I can now re-read and correct some little things.

Thanks a lot.

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Great! Happy to review afterwards and send you any edits
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viking272 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:54 am Great! Happy to review afterwards and send you any edits
I saw that most errors come when Google tries to translate a Forth word! They already are in english, or truncated english.

Is the Index preserved? (I mean the logical link between the table of contents and the articles?)

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When I convert back to a PDF, the Index links are preserved but seem to point to wrong pages, not sure if the index links just need updating in the ODT file?
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viking272 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:02 pm When I convert back to a PDF, the Index links are preserved but seem to point to wrong pages, not sure if the index links just need updating in the ODT file?
I reuploaded the two files (ODT and PDF) after an update of the table of contents.
Hope this is ok now!

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Hi,

thanks to viking272, I have a not-so-bad version of an english manual for the FORTH.
I have to read every page because the translator tried to translate things that it shouldn't. Example, the "or" logical instruction is seen as the word "or" in french that means gold...
Something else, the translator has added/removed spaces before some characters such as !, ? or . that are common into the Forth words.

The work is progressing, I have verified pages 1 to 40 out of 138. The english manual will soon be available.

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Your dedication is second to none, great effort Guillaume. :cheers:
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It's unbelievable amount of a great work.

I think that deepl.com is a much better translator than Google.
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AnachronyX wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:52 pm It's unbelievable amount of a great work.

I think that deepl.com is a much better translator than Google.
Argh !
I am working on page 74...
Maybe I'd have less work with deepl..!
Too late.

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i just might switch to forth for midi projects....

very special thank you guillme
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charles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:57 pm i just might switch to forth for midi projects....

very special thank you mouline
You remind me that I wrote a little tool in Forth to drive save/restore the data in the BOSS DR-5 via MIDI.
It's here:
https://gtello.pagesperso-orange.fr/boss_dr5_e.htm

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yes and u remind me that that is exactly what i intend to
test out with this version of forth....sorry i had your name wrong
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charles wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:46 pm yes and u remind me that that is exactly what i intend to
test out with this version of forth....sorry i had your name wrong
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I will be curious to see someone else using my program! (I think it never happened...)

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Hey Guillame, we had a power shortage here in the UK and I had no online devices for a while, so I decided to dig out my book on FORTH, as you have inspired me to learn about the language.

I havent learnt enough to find its shortcomings yet, but it seems like a better fit for interfacing with assembly than C.

Once I learn more, I will certainly like to try it out for some projects; especially if you have developed some words for GEM AES menus/dialogs.

Great work, as always from you! Thanks! :D

If an English language manual makes it out, with your own FORTH implementation specifics, then even better.
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mrbombermillzy wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:34 pm Hey Guillame, we had a power shortage here in the UK and I had no online devices for a while, so I decided to dig out my book on FORTH, as you have inspired me to learn about the language.

I havent learnt enough to find its shortcomings yet, but it seems like a better fit for interfacing with assembly than C.

Once I learn more, I will certainly like to try it out for some projects; especially if you have developed some words for GEM AES menus/dialogs.

Great work, as always from you! Thanks! :D

If an English language manual makes it out, with your own FORTH implementation specifics, then even better.
Yes, the english manual is arriving, viking272 is working on it.
I have reread the auto translation and checked for the technical part.
Now viking272 is verifying the english syntax.

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Well, thats great!

Thankyou Guillaume and viking272! :)
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i will do more than use your boss sysex banker
i will write my own for the boss dr660 i own....in forth..
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A little typo in English version. I expect, it should be "bad number".
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AnachronyX wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:23 am A little typo in English version. I expect, it should be "bad number".
So you don't like bazd ?
:angel:

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So you don't like bazd ?
Maybe "bazinga" would be better :lol:
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charles wrote: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:09 pm i will do more than use your boss sysex banker
i will write my own for the boss dr660 i own....in forth..
!!!!
Can't wait to see that working !
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AnachronyX wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 10:53 am
So you don't like bazd ?
Maybe "bazinga" would be better :lol:
:lol:

typo fixed! Version 0.2.2 is on line.

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Hello,

I have updated the french manual with a tutorial. Editing, running, saving, compiling. Everything is introduced.

The example program is a simple way to draw the Sierpinski's triangle:

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It will soon be available in English.

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Looks like version 0.2.2 has English version of COMPSTE.PRG in English, but FORTHSTE.PRG is in French.
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AnachronyX wrote: Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:31 pm Looks like version 0.2.2 has English version of COMPSTE.PRG in English, but FORTHSTE.PRG is in French.
Is it ok now?

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